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While the book wasn't the worst read, I felt it didn't tie in well with the others. It seemed like the pattern the first two books followed was broken with this one. The sequel to Flowers was hard enough for me to enjoy as I felt it turned a great premise into a soap opera but at least it had a lot of strengths and tied well with the first book. This book seemed like straws were being grasped to try and continue a series that shouldn't have continued. As a writer, I personally would have seen the series go in a much different direction after Flowers and If There Be Thorns took the series even further into the pit of unrealistic drama than Petals did. While Thorns wasn't unentertaining, it was overall rather disappointing.

Now for spoilers:

There were, in my opinion, an unacceptable amount of obvious grammatical errors including but not limited to using the word "it's" rather than "its", repeating words twice in a row by accident, and using the wrong word completely.

Could have just been V.C.Andrews trying to dramatise Bart's character as being crazy but he acted very unrealistically as a ten-year-old even in the beginning and by the end he was a complete sociopath who needed to be put in a mental hospital for his own good.

Cathy and Chris let way too many behaviors go ignored that should have been punished and while I know parents make mistakes and Bart want easy to punish with his nerve issues, they should have found better ways to punish him that didn't involve spanking and actually made sure to follow through with them.

I found them letting Bart get away with even attempting to push them around at the end of the book disturbing and repulsive.

The only portion of the book I really found enjoyable was Jory's telling if things.

If I was the one writing a third book for the series I would have focused on a lot of the same things but executed then much differently. Maybe V.C. just had a fantastical view of what needed to happen but to have Corrine move in next to them, focus on Jory and melodie, Bart having social and emotional issues not including brainwashing and sociopathy, and then have Cathy and Chris's secret revealed and focus on the drama that created would have been enough, I think. Those four things would have made a very enjoyable and hefty novel with more realism that would have been much more enjoyable to the audience she aquired who no doubt had fallen in love with the characters and wanted closure in knowing how their story concluded. And I haven't read the fourth book yet but I feel this *is* where it should have concluded. Leave people wanting more, not less.

The last disappointment I had with this book was that it was from the perspective of the children. While I think it was a choice meant to bring to light a new view on things, and it did, I feel like I speak for a lot of readers when I say I wanted to know more about Cathy and Chris, to be perfectly honest. I would have loved to read from Chris's perspective. I know there is a recent book that is the diary of Christopher but while it has V.C.Andrews on the cover it is not written by her and that makes it feel less authentic. As a writer I know what it is like to have a world in my head and have a picture of everyone in it and know more about what those dear characters feel than anyone else ever could and even if the books written by Andrew Neiderman are enjoyable, I won't be able to enjoy the work of a ghost writer as much as if I knew it was work born directly of that world V.C. had built in her head.

One more thing that bothers me in this series is the idea that every man is some kind of animal with no control over their instincts or desires but that may be a product of V.C.'s views on men or maybe a product of the time period; I can't be sure.

All in all I've rated three stars as the book was enjoyable and entertaining but not nearly what I had hoped it would be and it was missing a great deal of the charm and likeability of the first two books in the series.

(Please forgive any errors in my review as I'm writing it from my phone and use swipe to type. I would have read over it but the review box is hard to navigate.)


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If There Be Thorns V C Andrews 9785557088145 Books Reviews

I have become obsessed with this series, as of late. As strange as I find this story, it is still one of the greatest! This is the third book to the Dollanganger Series. Unlike the previous books, this one is told from Jory and Bart’s POVs. Which was weird starting out, but then it started to make sense. Jory’s POV, however, could have been avoided in my opinion. I found it hard to really care about his thoughts and actions. Bart is a whole other story. You get to understand how finding out unbelievable, horrific secrets about your loved ones, can really transform a person into someone unrecognizable. Children are sponges. Yes, they soak up information, but how does that information register to a child who finds out that his whole life has been one big lie? I felt so bad for Bart and his inner turmoil to try to make sense of the secrets he learned about his parents and grandparents. He became so lost and it really broke my heart when he started acting out violently.

The mystery of the woman in black wasn’t much of a mystery to me. I saw it for what it was as soon as the lights came on next door. That did not keep me from being engrossed in this train wreck of a family and the disastrous consequences of secrets, lies, deception, incest, and a plethora of other nouns not to be mentioned. Wow, this is one messed up family but I can’t get enough. Does that make me a bad person if I find joy in reading about such things? No, that makes the author a great story teller and I am along for the ride until the end. If you haven’t read this series, or seen the movies (Lifetime), then please do. They are cringe worthy but so good that you won’t put them down. Definitely recommend!
First off I hated & loved this book.
I'm almost sorry I started rereading this series. It started because I realized I never read Garden of Shadows, which I really liked & I should have stopped there. (Not re-hash the past so to speak)
Second! At the end Chris and Cathy's mom Corrine said she married John Amos Jackson because she was blackmailed or threatened or whatever. (Not Romantic)
Isn't he her 3rd cousin on her mom Olivia's side? I get they are not blood related bc her real mom is Alicia. Whew! The whole devil spawn thing, I didn't know if John Amos knew that Olivia wasn't her birth mother. ??? (He knew everything else)
****Why? Why? Why? Did Olivia & Malcolm's secret about who Corrine's real mom was never reviled ?? That was a secret that the 3 of them took to their grave (3rd being Alicia; Malcolm Sr.'s 2nd wife)
Get over Chris & Cathy being "together""together" I swear there is something about their "sinful relationship" in every other chapter, 3 out of 5 books it's that way! Its like digging up a dead dog (and we have 2 dead dogs & a kitten in this book) we get it but my good golly, really? Ugh!z
Bart has issues, a lot of them, blame Cathy for not being a mom to him. He was conceived out of revenge, yes she loved Bart Sr. but hated her mom more. She didn't hurt her mom, she hurt her son, sorry excuse.
If she didn't want the baby (Bart) she could have given him to her mom Corrine who really did love him (maybe the only one)
I would never live with a child that scared me, that hurt other family members & pulling a knife on people.... Nope Loony Bin admitting one.
But like all the books, so many things left unanswered....
While the book wasn't the worst read, I felt it didn't tie in well with the others. It seemed like the pattern the first two books followed was broken with this one. The sequel to Flowers was hard enough for me to enjoy as I felt it turned a great premise into a soap opera but at least it had a lot of strengths and tied well with the first book. This book seemed like straws were being grasped to try and continue a series that shouldn't have continued. As a writer, I personally would have seen the series go in a much different direction after Flowers and If There Be Thorns took the series even further into the pit of unrealistic drama than Petals did. While Thorns wasn't unentertaining, it was overall rather disappointing.

Now for spoilers

There were, in my opinion, an unacceptable amount of obvious grammatical errors including but not limited to using the word "it's" rather than "its", repeating words twice in a row by accident, and using the wrong word completely.

Could have just been V.C.Andrews trying to dramatise Bart's character as being crazy but he acted very unrealistically as a ten-year-old even in the beginning and by the end he was a complete sociopath who needed to be put in a mental hospital for his own good.

Cathy and Chris let way too many behaviors go ignored that should have been punished and while I know parents make mistakes and Bart want easy to punish with his nerve issues, they should have found better ways to punish him that didn't involve spanking and actually made sure to follow through with them.

I found them letting Bart get away with even attempting to push them around at the end of the book disturbing and repulsive.

The only portion of the book I really found enjoyable was Jory's telling if things.

If I was the one writing a third book for the series I would have focused on a lot of the same things but executed then much differently. Maybe V.C. just had a fantastical view of what needed to happen but to have Corrine move in next to them, focus on Jory and melodie, Bart having social and emotional issues not including brainwashing and sociopathy, and then have Cathy and Chris's secret revealed and focus on the drama that created would have been enough, I think. Those four things would have made a very enjoyable and hefty novel with more realism that would have been much more enjoyable to the audience she aquired who no doubt had fallen in love with the characters and wanted closure in knowing how their story concluded. And I haven't read the fourth book yet but I feel this *is* where it should have concluded. Leave people wanting more, not less.

The last disappointment I had with this book was that it was from the perspective of the children. While I think it was a choice meant to bring to light a new view on things, and it did, I feel like I speak for a lot of readers when I say I wanted to know more about Cathy and Chris, to be perfectly honest. I would have loved to read from Chris's perspective. I know there is a recent book that is the diary of Christopher but while it has V.C.Andrews on the cover it is not written by her and that makes it feel less authentic. As a writer I know what it is like to have a world in my head and have a picture of everyone in it and know more about what those dear characters feel than anyone else ever could and even if the books written by Andrew Neiderman are enjoyable, I won't be able to enjoy the work of a ghost writer as much as if I knew it was work born directly of that world V.C. had built in her head.

One more thing that bothers me in this series is the idea that every man is some kind of animal with no control over their instincts or desires but that may be a product of V.C.'s views on men or maybe a product of the time period; I can't be sure.

All in all I've rated three stars as the book was enjoyable and entertaining but not nearly what I had hoped it would be and it was missing a great deal of the charm and likeability of the first two books in the series.

(Please forgive any errors in my review as I'm writing it from my phone and use swipe to type. I would have read over it but the review box is hard to navigate.)